There are various scripts around the Net meant for approximating things like isosurfaces and parametric objects using meshes. It would probably run bit faster and be easier to use if this were supported natively within Povray. The feature would require an additional object parameter in order to toggle this behavior on/off.

Multi-textured blobs are broken with 3.7 beta 40 when used inside an intersection, as can be demonstrated by the following scene:

#default { texture { pigment { rgb 1 } } }

camera {
  right x*image_width/image_height
  location  <0,1.5,-4>
  look_at   <0,1,0>
}

light_source { <500,500,-500> color rgb 1 }

difference { blob {
  threshold 0.6
  sphere { < 0.75,   0,    0>, 1, 1 texture { pigment { color red 1 } } }
  sphere { <-0.375,  0.65, 0>, 1, 1 texture { pigment { color green 1 } } }
  sphere { <-0.375, -0.65, 0>, 1, 1 }
} }

With POV-Ray 3.7.0 beta 40, the entire blob is rendered with the default texture.

The same problem can be seen with “difference” or “merge” instead of “intersection”.

Omitting the CSG “envelope”, using “union”, or assigning the blob to a variable first and then using it inside an intersection, will yield the expected result.

POV-Ray 3.62 renders all variants as expected.

According to initial analysis, the problem appears to be caused by the dual use of the “MULTITEXTURE_FLAG”, which is used in CSG to indicate use of the “cutaway_textures” feature, and in blobs to indicate per-element texturing. (The same flag is also used in meshes to indicate per-face or per-vertex texturing, so similar problems are to expected there.)

My proposal is to use an entirely separate flag for the “cutaway_textures” feature (the blob and mesh can safely continue to share the MULTITEXTURE_FLAG).

Trace level is not handled properly with blobs using per-component reflective or refractive textures, leading to lockups. Stepping through the code, it seems that POV-Ray fails to properly mark the blob object as increasing the trace level.

(Until this bug is fixed, the issue can be worked around in most cases by assigning a reflective texture to the blob as a whole.)

Reflections in multi-layered textures are broken in 3.7 betas, as can be demonstrated with the following scene showing two reflective hemispheres on a checkered plane:

camera {
  location  <1.0, 0.5, -4.0>
  direction 1.5*z
  right     x*image_width/image_height
  look_at   <0.0, 0.0,  0.0>
}

sky_sphere {
  pigment {
    gradient y
    color_map {
      [0.0 rgb <0.6,0.7,1.0>]
      [0.7 rgb <0.0,0.1,0.8>]
    }
  }
}

light_source {
  <0, 0, 0>            // light's position (translated below)
  color rgb <1, 1, 1>  // light's color
  translate <-30, 30, -30>
}

default {
 finish { diffuse 0 ambient 0 specular 0 }
}

// ----------------------------------------

plane {               // checkered floor
  y, -1
  texture
  {
    pigment { checker color rgb 1 color blue 1 }
    finish{ diffuse 0.8 ambient 0.1 }
  }
}

// left hemisphere
intersection {
  sphere { 0, 1 }
  plane { x, -0.002 }
  texture {
    pigment { color rgb 1 }
    finish{ reflection { 0.5 } }
  }
  texture {
    pigment { color rgbt 1 }
    finish{ reflection { 0.4 } }
  }
  texture {
    pigment { color rgbt 1 }
    finish{ reflection { 0.1 } }
  }
}

// right hemisphere
intersection {
  sphere { 0, 1 }
  plane { -x, -0.002 }
  texture {
    pigment { color rgb 1 }
    finish{ reflection { 1.0 } }
  }
}

Note that the reflection parameters of the left, multi-layered hemisphere sum up to 1.0, i.e. the same value as used in the single layer in the right hemisphere.

The first attached file (test_3.6.2.png), rendered with POV-Ray 3.6.2, shows the expected output: Both hemispheres appear to have the same reflectivity.

The second attached file (test_3.7.0.beta37a.png), rendered with POV-Ray 3.7.0.beta.37a, shows a much brighter left (multi-layered) sphere.

As it turns out, in order to get the expected result with POV-Ray 3.7.0.beta.37a, the reflectivity of each layer must be divided by 3, 2 and 1, respectively (which obviously does not sum up to 1.0):

  ...
  texture {
    pigment { color rgb 1 }
    finish{ reflection { 0.5 / 3 } }
  }
  texture {
    pigment { color rgbt 1 }
    finish{ reflection { 0.4 / 2 } }
  }
  texture {
    pigment { color rgbt 1 }
    finish{ reflection { 0.1 / 1 } }
  }
  ...

Mosaic preview display didn’t work as expected, given these command line options: +sp64 +ep16. The preview was solid colored instead of the coarse preview that you’d expect.

I’ve tested a fix to unix/disp_sdl.cpp from clipka and it appears to work.

20 library paths is a bit small given the sheer number of include files I’ve collected over the years. An increase in the number, and/or the ability to include wildcards in the search path, would be great.

Currently, arrays may contain only one object type. Would be nice to eliminate this restriction and allow arrays to contain objects of different types.

Given the following two statements, a missing closing brace in the function declaration fn should throw a parse exception; instead it causes a memory access violation when trying to use fn in the second delcaration:

#local fn = function { 
  pigment { image_map { png "MultiPassBlobs3.png" gamma 1 map_type 0 once }} 
#local clr = fn(0,0,0);

Hello,

this bug report relates to this thread: http://news.povray.org/povray.beta-test/thread/%3Cweb.4e0064d9a3970d212b256d410%40news.povray.org%3E/

In /unix/unixoptions.cpp around line 817:

while ( !Stream.eof() )
{
	// get and preprocess line
	std::getline(Stream, line);
	line = pre_process_conf_line(line);
	++line_number;
	// skip empty line
	if(line.length() == 0)
		continue;
        [...]
}

`Stream.eof()` could never be true as well as `line.length()` always can be zero, leading to an endless loop. In my case, the problem occurred due to my ~/.povray/3.7/povray.conf being a directory instead of a file.

To fix the problem, one has to consolidate this loop by not only checking for eofbit, but also for failbit and badbit of `Stream`. The getline() method on a directory does not set the eofbit, but it sets fail and bad (test: http://codepad.org/RiZGo3ia). According to http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/iostream/ios/operatornot/ fail and bad can be checked for by `!Stream`. A simple `if (!Stream) break;` within the loop fixes the problem (patch file attached).

Are there more missing checks on iostreams like this in the code? :) They should definitely be fixed.

Furthermore, one could think about using the boost filesystem library to be able to distinguish files and directories to provide good error messages.

Hope that helps,

Jan-Philip Gehrcke

The following scene demonstrates how media sampling method 3 gives inaccurate results with scattering media.

The scene shows four spheres with uniform media, using (left to right) sampling methods 1, 2 and 3 with default settings, and sampling method 3 with high minimum sample count, respectively.

Note how changing the sample count significantly affects the result, despite the media being uniform.

Code analysis shows that the root cause is an underestimation of the extinction effect on the light scattered by the media, corresponding in order of magnitude to half the distance between mandatory samples (as defined by minimum sample count).

The effect also leads to visible artifacts when nesting hollow objects inside the media, as can be demonstrated by un-commenting the four smaller spheres.

#version 3.7;

camera {
  perspective angle 25
  location  <0.0 , 0.0 ,-20.0>
  right     x*image_width/image_height
  look_at   <0.0 , 0.0 , 0.0>
}

light_source {
  <0,3000,-3000> color rgb 1
}

background { color rgb 0.5 }

plane {
  <0,1,0>, -1
  texture { pigment { checker color rgb<1,1,1>*1.2 color rgb<0.25,0.15,0.1>*0 } }
}

#declare T_Transparent = texture {
  pigment { color rgbt <1,1,1,1> } finish { diffuse 1 }
}

sphere { <-3,0,0>, 1.00 
  texture { T_Transparent }
  hollow
  interior {
    media {
      scattering { 1 color rgb 2 extinction 1 }
      method 1
    }
  }
}

sphere { <-1,0,0>, 1.00 
  texture { T_Transparent }
  hollow
  interior {
    media {
      scattering { 1 color rgb 2 extinction 1 }
      method 2
    }
  }
}

sphere { <1,0,0>, 1.00 
  texture { T_Transparent }
  hollow
  interior {
    media {
      scattering { 1 color rgb 2 extinction 1 }
      method 3
    }
  }
}

sphere { <3,0,0>, 1.00 
  texture { T_Transparent }
  hollow
  interior {
    media {
      scattering { 1 color rgb 2 extinction 1 }
      method 3
      samples 100
    }
  }
}

/*
sphere { <-3,0,0>,0.8 texture { T_Transparent } hollow }
sphere { <-1,0,0>,0.8 texture { T_Transparent } hollow }
sphere { < 1,0,0>,0.8 texture { T_Transparent } hollow }
sphere { < 3,0,0>,0.8 texture { T_Transparent } hollow }
*/

The documentation states mesh_camera 0 should produce 1 pixel per index but it currently seems to produce 1 lighting pixel per face.

This output seems fairly meaningless as using this data for vertex colours (presumably the intention for mesh_camera 0) would result in a flat shaded model.

Logically it would make more sense to output 1 pixel per vertex instead of 1 pixel per face. Another solution might 1 pixel per face index (as per documentation) although POV would need to record which indices had already been computed otherwise it could end up duplicating computation.

At the moment I’ve written a code workaround for my exporter which produces a special mesh but this is obviously a much more complex solution to a fairly simple problem.

When using mesh_camera type ‘0’

The first line of the mesh output seems to be repeated resulting in incorrect light colour values.

If the first line of the texture is skipped then the values seem to be correct.

When using mesh_camera type ‘0’

The first line of the mesh output seems to be repeated resulting in incorrect light colour values.

If the first line of the texture is skipped then the values seem to be correct.

Output images are 0.5 pixels too right and 0.5 pixels too down (mesh_camera_bug.pov).

The error is cumulative when image files are used again as texture (run 10 times mesh_camera_bug_reuse.pov).

This can be compensated by adjusting UV maps (mesh_camera_fix.pov and mesh_camera_fix_reuse.pov).

Tested with and without anti-aliasing.

Beta 32 is failing to render a mesh2 smoothly on 64-bit XP - output shows flat triangles rather than smoothed triangles.
Issue is not present in 32-bit build.

Reported in http://news.povray.org/49e51489%241%40news.povray.org. Demo image rendered using standard chessmesh scene.

In POV-Ray’s documentation it says:

3.2.2.2 Max Image Buffer Memory
This INI parameter sets the number of megabytes of RAM to allow for output image caching. If the output image happens to use more than this, a file backed temporary image is used instead.

I used this INI file option because the default value (128 megabytes) seemed insufficient. pov-state backend files were always created and they were remarkably larger than the resulting image (bmp) files. Consequently, I set

Max_Image_Buffer_Memory = 3096

in the INI file so that POV-Ray should, according to the documentation, now be able to use 3 gigabytes of RAM so no backend temporary file would be needed at all (this large they were never).

However, while POV-Ray was rendering I still discovered a pov-state file and it still had a similar size.

Now I am confused: did the INI option not work or have I misunderstood the documentation? If the former is the case, that would be a bug, wouldn’t it?

I tested both under Windows XP and Debian 6.0.5.

Included math.inc into scene and recieved this fatal error from povray:

File '/usr/local/share/povray-3.7/include/math.inc' line 248: Parse Error: Expected 'string expression', float function 'vlength' found instead

Appropriate place in math.inc:

245 > #end
246 >
247 > // Distance between V1 and V2
248 > #macro VDist(V1, V2) vlength(V1 - V2) #end
249 >
250 > // Returns a vector perpendicular to V

Running newly-downloaded/newly-compiled POV-Ray 3.7.0, on Linux x86_64 system

Currently, many POV scenes/include files behave differently depending on the basic units used within the scene. Scaling them differently can affect things like ior and media. A master system variable that users can set to configure the scene’s units would be beneficial for sharing and collaboration purposes, so that person A’s glass interior works correctly in person B’s wine glass scene. Just like the #version system variable, it should have a default value but should be possible to explicitly override.

Macros are finicky about how you type your code. What works outside macros sometimes fails inside them. For more information see the threads:

“Problems with macro (3.6)”, in p.a-u, 06-09-10
“Bad operands”, in p.g, 05-20-10

Still not sure *what* exactly the problem was, but one of my workarounds ended up working.

FileBackedPixelContainer uses a FILE* to manage the backing store and under Linux/Unix defines fseek64 to be a kind of incantation of lseek64.

Since fseek64 and fseek64 have return values that are logical opposites this causes an exception to be thrown.

Moreover since the buffer size on a FILE is quite a bit smaller than a line of pixels (in terms of bytes), mostly what’s being done in this function is a lot of sloshing of bytes that don’t do much... which is to say that the intended caching mechanism is getting a very low hit rate now that povray is working in 32×32 pixel per-thread chunks.

The cache miss problem and the volume of bytes read/written grows exponentially as the size of the image grows.

Attached is a replacement function that seems to be working well and should produce a performance increase even under Windows. I originally went with simply fixing the fseek/lseek problem but saw a 10% decrease in render time on 2048×1024-sized images when I made the cache target smaller.

When using fade_distance and fade_power in combination with area_illumination, the light source fading is not applied to materials with subsurface scattering; see the following code for an example:

#version 3.7;
global_settings {
  assumed_gamma 1.0
  mm_per_unit 10
  subsurface { samples 200,20 }
}

camera {
  right x*image_width/image_height
  angle 30
  location  <0,1.5,-4>
  look_at   <0,0,0>
}

sky_sphere {
  pigment {
    gradient y
    color_map {
      [0.0 rgb <0.6,0.7,1.0>]
      [0.7 rgb <0.0,0.1,0.8>]
    }
  }
}

plane {
  y, 0
  texture {
    pigment {
      checker
      color rgb <1.0, 0.8, 0.6>
      color rgb <1.0, 0.0, 0.0>
      scale 0.5
    }
  }
}

light_source {
  <50,50,50>
  color rgb 30
  area_light 5*x,5*y,17,17 adaptive 1 jitter circular orient
  area_illumination on
  fade_distance 10
  fade_power 2
}

cylinder {
  <0,0,0>, <0,0.2,0> 1
  texture {
    pigment { color rgb 1 }
    finish {
      ambient 0
      diffuse 0.7
      specular albedo 0.3
      reflection { 0.3 fresnel }
      conserve_energy
      subsurface { translucency 0.1 }
    }
  }
  interior { ior 1.5 }
}

sphere {
  <0,0.4,0>, 0.2
  texture {
    pigment { color rgb <1,0.6,0.0> }
    finish {
      ambient 0
      diffuse 0.0
      specular albedo 0.8 metallic
      reflection { 1.0 metallic }
      conserve_energy
    }
  }
}

3.6x only bug with easy/known fix. Error message: “Identifier expected, incomplete function call or spline call found instead.” caused by token counter variable using the wrong special value. The symptom occurs when using a lot of splines. See this thread for details.

(I am using a self-compiled special build because I use a lot of splines in 3.6 but would rather use an official 3.6)

Keyword Completion does not work for several names.
I miss it for animation related names like frame_number or final_frame.

Typing “fram{TAB}” just inserts a TAB character after “fram” instead of completing it to frame_number.

Independently of that bug, typing {TAB} repeatedly does not cycle through possible names:
“fr{TAB}” gives “frequency” and “fresnel” and that’s all.

In version 3.6 it worked well.

My system is Windows 7 64bit and PovRay is 3.7.0.RC3.msvc9.win64

Using trace or inside with a julia fractal causes a crash.

#declare Test = julia_fractal {
  <-0.083,0.0,-0.83,-0.025>
  quaternion
  cube 
  max_iteration 8
  precision 20
};
#declare Norm = <0,0,0>;
#declare Hit = trace(Test,<0,0,-10>,z,Norm);
#declare Center = inside(Test,<0,0,0>); 

POV-Ray 3.7-generated JPEG image output files do not conform to the JFIF standard. Most importantly, the files written do not use the standard YCbCr color model (they seem to use plain RGB instead), nor do they have a proper JFIF tag.

As a consequence, some software may be unable to read the generated JPEG files properly. In addition, it seems that POV-Ray mixes up the Red and Blue channels.

Linux beta 32, 64bits, compiled from sources.

povray -w800 -h600 +a0.3 +kfi1 +kff78
-L/usr/local/share/povray-3.7/scenes/incdemo
-Ii_internal.pov +WT5 +R4 +AM1 +MB1

Important issue: +WT5 +MB1

Seems Fine for +WT1 +MB1
Also fine for +WT5 +MB9

The intersection with the containing box displays some two-shades of grey
random checkered patterns.
Size of square looks like size of renderering thread. Position too.

Impacted frames (of 78):
01, 02, 03, 30, 48, 74, 76.

As the following scene demonstrates, the “inverse” keyword produces unexpected results with quadrics.

Left: a sphere primitive as reference
Right: a sphere-shaped quadric primitive (sphere-shaped)

Top: plain
Bottom: inverse

The objects are clipped in half to better demonstrate the effect. Regular texture is shown in white, interior_texture in red; the surface normal of a selected point (blue) as returned by trace() is shown in green.

Note how the sphere’s surface normal, as well as the textures, are flipped when “inverse” is used (this is the intended standard behaviour of all objects), while the quadric’s normal and textures erroneously remain uchanged.

// +w800 +h600

#version 3.7;

global_settings{ assumed_gamma 1.0 }

#default{ finish { ambient 0.1 diffuse 0.9 specular 0.5 }} 

camera {
  perspective
  angle 40
  right     x*image_width/image_height
  location  <0,0,-10>
  look_at   <0,0,0>
}

light_source{ < 1000,3000,-3000> color rgb 1 }

background { color rgb 0.5 }

#declare T_White = texture { pigment { color rgb   1 } }
#declare T_Red   = texture { pigment { color red   1 } }
#declare T_Green = texture { pigment { color green 1 } }
#declare T_Blue  = texture { pigment { color blue  1 } }

#declare TopLeft     = sphere { 0, 1 }
#declare BottomLeft  = sphere { 0, 1 inverse }

#declare TopRight    = quadric { <1,1,1>, <0,0,0>, <0,0,0>, -1 }
#declare BottomRight = quadric { <1,1,1>, <0,0,0>, <0,0,0>, -1 inverse }

#macro Mac(Obj, P, D)
  union {
    #local N = <0,0,0>;
    #local O = <-0.6,0.4,-10>;
    #local Q = trace(Obj, O, D, N);
    #if (vlength(N) > 0)
      sphere { Q, 0.05 texture { T_Blue } }
      cylinder { Q, Q + N, 0.02 texture { T_Green } }
    #else
      cylinder { O, O + D*10000, 0.02 texture { T_Red } }
    #end
    object { Obj texture { T_White } interior_texture { T_Red } clipped_by { box { <-1,-1,-1>, <0,1,1> rotate y*30 } } }
    translate P
  }
#end

Mac(TopLeft,     <-1.2, 1.2, 0>, z)
Mac(TopRight,    < 1.2, 1.2, 0>, z)
Mac(BottomLeft,  <-1.2,-1.2, 0>, z)
Mac(BottomRight, < 1.2,-1.2, 0>, z)

As the following scene demonstrates, the “inverse” keyword produces unexpected results with fractals.

Left: a sphere primitive as reference
Right: a julia fractal

Top: plain
Bottom: inverse

The objects are clipped in half to better demonstrate the effect. Regular texture is shown in white, interior_texture in red; the surface normal of a selected point (blue) as returned by trace() is shown in green.

Note how the sphere’s surface normal, as well as the textures, are flipped when “inverse” is used (this is the intended standard behaviour of all objects), while the fractal’s normal and textures erroneously remain uchanged.

// +w800 +h600

#version 3.7;

global_settings{ assumed_gamma 1.0 }

#default{ finish { ambient 0.1 diffuse 0.9 specular 0.5 }} 

camera {
  perspective
  angle 40
  right     x*image_width/image_height
  location  <0,0,-10>
  look_at   <0,0,0>
}

light_source{ < 1000,3000,-3000> color rgb 1 }

background { color rgb 0.5 }

#declare T_White = texture { pigment { color rgb   1 } }
#declare T_Red   = texture { pigment { color red   1 } }
#declare T_Green = texture { pigment { color green 1 } }
#declare T_Blue  = texture { pigment { color blue  1 } }

#declare TopLeft     = sphere { 0, 1 }
#declare BottomLeft  = object { TopLeft inverse }

#declare TopRight    = julia_fractal{ <-0.083,0.0,-0.83,-0.025> quaternion sqr max_iteration 8 precision 20 scale 0.9 }
#declare BottomRight = object { TopRight inverse }

#macro Mac(Obj, P, D)
  union {
    #local N = <0,0,0>;
    #local O = <-0.6,0.4,-10>;
    #local Q = trace(Obj, O, D, N);
    #if (vlength(N) > 0)
      sphere { Q, 0.05 texture { T_Blue } }
      cylinder { Q, Q + N, 0.02 texture { T_Green } }
    #else
      cylinder { O, O + D*10000, 0.02 texture { T_Red } }
    #end
    object { Obj texture { T_White } interior_texture { T_Red } clipped_by { box { <-2,-2,-2>, <0,2,2> rotate y*30 } } }
    translate P
  }
#end

Mac(TopLeft,     <-1.2, 1.2, 0>, z)
Mac(TopRight,    < 1.2, 1.2, 0>, z)
Mac(BottomLeft,  <-1.2,-1.2, 0>, z)
Mac(BottomRight, < 1.2,-1.2, 0>, z)

The following paraboloid renders correctly:

intersection
{ quadric { <1, 0, 1>, <0, 0, 0>, <0, 1, 0>, -1 }
  cylinder { 0, y, 1 }
}

However, when I extend the clipping cylinder downward:

intersection
{ quadric { <1, 0, 1>, <0, 0, 0>, <0, 1, 0>, -1 }
  cylinder { -y, y, 1 }
}

the object disappears completely in POV-Ray 3.7 and 3.7.1. In POV-Ray
3.6.1, it renders as expected.

POV-Ray 3.7.0.unofficial (self-compiled with g++ 4.8, but completely unaltered)
POV-Ray 3.7.1-alpha.8150025.unofficial
openSUSE 13.2 GNU/Linux

This scene file illustrates the problem:

// +w480 +h240
#version 3.6; //[sic]

global_settings { assumed_gamma 1 }

camera
{ location <0, 1, -7.5958>
  look_at <0, 1, 0>
  right 2 * x
  up y
  angle 43.1038
}

#default { finish { diffuse 0.6 ambient rgb 0.15618 } }

light_source
{ <-4.3125, 9.6250, -7.4695>,
  rgb 6856.3
  fade_power 2 fade_distance 0.10417
  spotlight point_at <0, 1, 0> radius 45 falloff 90
}

box
{ -<9, 11, 9>, <9, 11, 9>
  pigment { rgb 1 }
}

plane
{ y, 0
  pigment { checker rgb 0.05 rgb 1 }
}

intersection
{ quadric { <1, 0, 1>, <0, 0, 0>, <0, 1, 0>, -1 }
  cylinder { 0, y, 1 }
  pigment { green 0.5 }
  translate <-1.25, 1, 0>
}

intersection
{ quadric { <1, 0, 1>, <0, 0, 0>, <0, 1, 0>, -1 }
  cylinder { -y, y, 1 }
  pigment { green 0.5 }
  translate <1.25, 1, 0>
}

On the right side, there should have been a cylinder capped with a paraboloid. A thread has been started in povray.bugreports. Jerome has started to look at it.

Subsurface scattering must be made radiosity-aware.

Installation script (from sources) when run with a classical “sudo make install” would create povray.ini & povray.conf in $HOME/.povray/3.7 (so far so fine) with the owner as root and the permission to readonly for the real user.

Same goes for the owner of the 3.7 directories tree : .povray & .povray/3.7 are created with root owner, despite being in $HOME of the performing user.

Please fix ?

The parser does not accept mesh objects (or CSG objects including a mesh object) as a parameter to the inside() built-in function, reporting error “Solid object identifier expected”, even if the mesh is “solidified” by specifying an inside_vector.

(see news://news.povray.org:119/4a983716@news.povray.org)

I’ve got an ini file that looks like this:

Post_Frame_Return=U
Post_Frame_Command=notepad.exe

And when I render a scene using that ini file, it renders correctly but then
gives me this error:

Render halted because the post-frame shell-out (’notepad.exe’) requested POV-Ray
to generate a user abort.
Render failed

.....and it doesn’t open notepad.

I’ve unchecked the “Disable Starting Other Programs” and I’ve tried various
variations on what exe to run and whether to do it Pre/Post Frame/Scene, and
nothing has worked.

It would be nice to configure an INI option to add render information like render time, date, and input file to output images.