POV-Ray

In the following scene, the mesh object will always cast a fully-opaque shadow, even if the image has an alpha channel:

camera {
  location  <0.5, 1.0, -1.0>
  look_at   <0.5, 0.0,  0.5>
}

light_source { <0, 30, 0> color rgb 1 }

mesh {
    triangle { <0,0,0>, <1,0,0>, <1,0,1> uv_vectors <0,0>, <1,0>, <1,1> }
    triangle { <0,0,0>, <1,0,1>, <0,0,1> uv_vectors <0,0>, <1,1>, <0,1> }
    texture { pigment { uv_mapping image_map {png "FOOBAR.png"} } }
}

plane { y, -0.1 pigment { color rgb 1 } }

The following modification to the texture will give the expected results:

    texture { uv_mapping pigment { image_map {png "FOOBAR.png"} } }

The problem can be observed with both POV-Ray 3.7 (tested with beta.34), as well as 3.6 (tested with 3.6.2).

Currently neither of these pages:

  http://www.povray.org/documentation/view/3.7.0/253/

  http://www.povray.org/documentation/view/3.7.0/90/

mention that the background can be transparent. Any normal user will try to give “background { ... }” a transparent color, see that it doesn’t work, and assume that POV-ray can’t do it.

The pages should mention the +UA command-line option, which enables the transparency.

Files of exactly 4k length can cause a full crash exception when opened.

The #switch directive isn’t parsing correctly. In the following construct NO warning or error is generated:

#switch (RF)

case (0)
	rotate z*355
#break
case (144)
	rotate z*7.5
#break
case (216)
	rotate z*5
#break

#end

RF is a variable passed to the macro in which this construct resides. The first ‘case’ action IS executed, but none of the others are on successive calls to the macro. If I properly add ‘#’ to the second case the 1st and 2nd condition are executed but not the last. If ‘#’ is REMOVED from any of the break directives an error is generated and parsing halts.

Using an end value of 1048576 or larger in a #for loop will cause the last iteration to be skipped, as can be demonstrated by the following code:

#declare N = 2000000;
#debug concat(”N = “,str(N, 0,50),”\n”)
#debug concat(”N-5 = “,str(N-5,0,50),”\n\n”)
#for (I, N-5, N, 1)

#debug concat("I   = ",str(I,0,50),"\n")

#end

(The limit was observed with a Win64 build; other builds may exhibit other limits or might even work fine, depending on the floating point engine used.)

As this limit is still far below the numeric precision limit, and a corresponding #while loop works fine with much higher values, this must be considered a bug rather than an inevitable limitation.

The bug can be tracked down to a faulty condition in tokenize.cpp, Parser::Parse_Directive(), CASE(END_TOKEN), case FOR_COND:

    if ( ((Step > 0) && (*CurrentPtr >= End + EPSILON)) ||
         ((Step < 0) && (*CurrentPtr <= End - EPSILON)) )

which should instead be:

    if ( ((Step > 0) && (*CurrentPtr > End + EPSILON)) ||
         ((Step < 0) && (*CurrentPtr < End - EPSILON)) )

#fopen directive w/o OPEN_TYPE (yeah, I forgot it, some other languages have ‘read’ as default value)

expected behavior:
Parse error msg “line XXX, OPEN_TYPE missing in #fopen directive”, then stop.

observed behavior:
crash - Segfault err (core dump) in Parsing stage

minimal working example attached

A pigment statement not wrapped in a texture statement does not properly override a pigment previously defined for the object. In the following SDL code:

  #declare PLANE = plane { y,0
    texture {
      pigment { checker color rgb 1 color rgb 0 scale 0.1 }
  } }
  object { PLANE
    pigment { checker color red 1 color blue 1 scale 1.0 }
  }

the scaling of the pigment previously specified for the PLANE object is retained for the new pigment. Compare:

  #declare PLANE = plane { y,0
    texture {
      pigment { checker color rgb 1 color rgb 0 scale 0.1 }
  } }
  object { PLANE
    texture {
      pigment { checker color red 1 color blue 1 scale 1.0 }
  } }

which behaves as expected.

The issue has been around at least since POV-Ray 3.6.2.

The following files were garbled in changelist #4648 by stripping all line terminators, making the files unusable:

• .../scenes/advanced/cats/cattext.inc
• .../scenes/animations/life/blink4.inc
• .../scenes/animations/life/walker.inc

Line terminators of these files were already problematic in previous versions of the file, having been CR-only.

The following files changed with #4648 should be reviewed closely as well, as they were previously CR-only, too, and at least some of them exhibit some peculiarities regarding line and/or file terminators:

• .../scenes/animations/pentmap/pentmap.ini
• .../scenes/animations/pentmap/pentmap.pov
• .../scenes/animations/slinky/slnk.ini
• .../scenes/incdemo/metals/metals.doc
• .../scenes/incdemo/stones/stones.doc
• .../scenes/incdemo/woods/morewood.doc
• .../scenes/incdemo/woods/woods.doc
• .../scenes/textures/pigments/skies/skies.doc

The documentation says:

“-J Sets aa-jitter off”

However, it seems to have no effect. -J0 will turn off jittering.

woodmaps.inc depends on colors.inc, more specifically the definition of the color “Clear” perhaps a #ifndef colors.inc belongs in woodmaps.inc or probably more correctly changing the call of “Clear” to rgbf 1

Many programming languages support an indeterminate number of parameters in functions/macros.

JavaScript for instance supports an “arguments” object.

Lua for instance supports the “args” object.

I would like to see that added to POV as well.

Here’s an JavaScript example:

function ArgTest(a, b){
   var i, s = "The ArgTest function expected ";
   var numargs = arguments.length;     //Get number of arguments passed.
   var expargs = ArgTest.length;       //Get number of arguments expected.
   if (expargs < 2)
      s += expargs + " argument. ";
   else
      s += expargs + " arguments. ";
   if (numargs < 2)
      s += numargs + " was passed.";
   else
      s += numargs + " were passed.";
   s += "\n\n"
   for (i =0 ; i < numargs; i++){      //Get argument contents.
   s += "  Arg " + i + " = " + arguments[i] + "\n";
   }
   return(s);                          //Return list of arguments.
}

In the tray icon, I’d like to see the render progress indicated somehow icon itself. Either a set of numbers (percents), or a change in color of the icon (e.g. from top to bottom). Something like the attached images.

The documentation entries for shapes.inc, shapes_old.inc, shapes2.inc, shapesq.inc, etc. should have thumbnails next to the object descriptions.

There should be a table of contents on each page of the documentation, or at least on the very long pages. Scrolling through the entire page to figure out what topics are covered sucks.

Request a system variable to test whether a scene file has been included by another scene file.

For instance:

#if (is_included)
  camera {...}
#end

Using the concat function is tedious. Why not just have an operator with which to concatenate strings?

“Hello " + “world!”

“Hello " . “world!”

Suggestion:

In file screen.inc, have macro Screen_Object() set no_radiosity on the object.

Add a way to get and set font metrics.

Attached an image that shows what I’m talking about.

Thanks!!

I would like to suggest an additional feature regarding splines. POV-Ray’s spline objects (spline {}) are very useful to create animation paths as a function of time from reference points; however, in many cases you do not only need a position to place an object correctly, but also its velocity etc., e.g. if you are animating a car moving along a spline you do not only need to know where the car is at a given clock value but also in which direction it is going. If you want to rotate the wheels correctly you even need to know how this direction is currently changing.

In a nutshell, if you are using splines to create an animation path, you might not only need the spline value itself, but also the value of its first and second derivative. So I suggest adding an SDL capability to access these values like it is possible to access the spline value for a given parameter.

I do not think it would be too difficult to add a feature like this as far as the backend is concerned, since for computing a (cubic) spline you need the first and second derivatives anyway. (They are probably not being stored separately, but a polynomial is not that hard to differentiate.)

Indeed I do not know how an SDL language construct for it should look like (i.e. whether to use ' and ‘’ like in mathematics or a second spline function parameter).

When right-clicking on a tab in the editor window a list of options should appear, such as:

* Close
* Close all but this
* Save
* Save as
* Print

See Notepad++, EditPad Lite, and Firefox for examples.

Blobs are currently limited to 1,000,000 components (with each cylindrical component counting as three: one cylinder + two end hemispheres); this limit may have served a historic purpose, but is now entirely arbitrary: The remaining code is limited only by the available RAM and the numeric limits of the int data type. The arbitrary maximum components limit per blob should therefore be removed.

Aside from unnecessarily limiting the power of the blob component, another drawback of the current test is that it is only performed after parsing of all the blob’s components, potentially hours after the limit had actually been reached.

At the moment in the Poly Object the maximum power is 15. The mathematics for converting the three parametric equations for x, y and z into a formula for the Poly Object require that the equations are squared several times given max-powers of 4, 8 and even 16. I’ve one eqaution that needs power 16. At the moment this is just one power short. Please raise this to 16. That’s all I ask for.

Tested with beta 40. Also affect version 3.6.1 as reported in the discution group.

When using radiosity and emissive media. Any object, or part of, that is inside the media container is not affected by the illumination comming from the media.

When using scattering media, the light scattered by the media also don’t affect objects that are inside it’s container.

http://news.povray.org/povray.newusers/thread/%3C4cf8fe22%241%40news.povray.org%3E/

On Windows 7 and newer operating systems, some programs are able to display their progress in the taskbar buttons.

Here is an example of Chrome downloading something and showing the progress in the taskbar:

http://www.winbeta.org/sites/default/files/news/oldfashinoned.jpg

Here is an example with Paint.NET instead:

http://www.getpaint.net/images/pdn351_superbarProgress.png

I think this feature would use fewer CPU resources than a) minimizing/maximizing the whole application window each time you want to check progress, or b) hovering the mouse over the taskbar button to show the thumbnails.

The commands:

povray +i /home/ronis/Nm=500/povray.00001.pov

or

povray +i/home/ronis/Nm=500/povray.00001.pov

fail with: povray: this pre-release version of POV-Ray for Unix expires in 2 day(s) and 1 hour(s)
Failed to parse command-line option

Going to the directory and simply running: povray +i povray.00001.pov
works.

I came across this by accident trying to get emac’s povray mode to work; apparently it passes the full path name to povray.

I don’t think there is a problem in 3.6.1

In some cases it may be desirable to run POV-Ray from a batch file, without causing it to “steal the focus”.

I suggest making this dependant on whether POV-Ray is run with the /EXIT parameter.

If you abort a render with ^C, Povray exits with a ‘success’ error code.

To test:

povray scene.ini
(^C to abort it)
echo $?

Right now 0 is returned (’success’). A non-zero value should be returned (’failure’).

This is particularly important for scripting, where command lines like:

povray scene.ini && halt

...can be used. I only want the halt to be executed if the scene renders successfully. If I change my mind and ^C it, I don’t want the machine to shut down!

When POV-Ray 3.70 is run on a terminal, on an unix shell, and the user hits ctrl-Z to suspend (stop) POV-Ray, rather than stopping as expected, POV-Ray just reports that it did receive the signal, as if to laugh at the user “I’m not obeying your puny stop attempts”. It

The default action (as happens if the SIGTSTP signal is not trapped) would be much better, and is usually safe also in multithread programs.
It takes actual effort to _ignore_ the TSTP signal (namely, to trap that signal), so the current behavior is definitely a dysfeature, probably an oversight by whoever programmed the signal handler.

Also, when the terminal window is resized, POV-Ray needlessly reports that it received a signal number so-and-so (the number of SIGWINCH), adding irrelevant noise to its terminal output. Both signals (SIGTSTP and SIGWINCH) should simply be excluded from the signal trapping mask. I guess there are also other signals that are needlessly captured. It would be better to capture only those signals that an action is needed for.

couple of observations:

if no photons are gathered (hey it happens ... my typo) when attempting to save a photon map the warning message just indicates that it couldn’t save the map, maybe the message could be enhanced to say something like: No photons were gathered so no map information was saved. At first I thought something had changed in my I/O restrictions (I’m writing to an image directory not current or work directory)

when reading a previously saved photon map there is no indication that it was read in other than the end stats showing a small amount of photon time. I don’t recall but didn’t v3.6 indicate that the a previously saved map was being used? Just for the heck of it I moved the map file aside and it did prove to me that it was indeed being input. Some sort of message at the time the file is read in might be helpful.

...for instance nVidia’s CUDA architecture, discussed here and other places.

General consensus is that it’s not worth the effort if only a partial set of POV-Ray’s features are possible.

Assuming there are no performance issues, it would be nice to tell Povray to select the pixels to render randomly, so that the image gets filled in gradually instead of from top to bottom and from left to right.

Also, maybe an option to tell it to render every Nth pixel.

There is a long animation to render.

computer 1 should render 0..799
computer 2 should render 800..1599

And after this, You have a bad surprise with the filenames.

animation799.png
animation0800.png

There should be a seting how many digits a file name in an animation should have.

This avoids, that there are series of pictures with 3 and other with 4 digit filenames.

BTW: All the experiences for this feature requests had been made during producing
http://roland.pege.org/2011-gusi-peace-prize/calculation-error.htm

For the next beta version, could you please create a new desktop icon? I keep clicking on the wrong version.

There are various scripts around the Net meant for approximating things like isosurfaces and parametric objects using meshes. It would probably run bit faster and be easier to use if this were supported natively within Povray. The feature would require an additional object parameter in order to toggle this behavior on/off.